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      Black Marxism: The Making of the Black Radical Tradition

      Really interested in this one because I am working on pro- and pan-Afrikan analysis of capitalism, racialism, and classism, which I believe Marxism (or non-Afrikan socialism) does not provide.

      In short, “socialism” as a word and system predates the European and Eurasian continent, and has been colonized, gentrified, and weaponized by European descedants. The Marxist critque of capitalism is often used by many Afrikan descedants within the diaspora (I am a former proponent), yet it fundamentally subscribes to the very same idealogical principles of capitalism (or white supremacy) – racialism, racial subjugation, and classism.

      I am using this text for my dissertation, along with many others, to contruct a rudimentary yet sophistacated analysis of globalization (international colonialism, or metacolonialsm) and class from a pro- and pan-Afrikan perspective. In my opinion, Marxism, Leninism, and European treatments of socialism inhenrently marginalize non-Europeans.

      Please let me know your thoughts

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        Exactly! Its frustrating when those of us who advocate even for Pan-Afrikanism dont see that. — My primary examples are based on my experience in Amerikkka and Mzansi — so called “radical” Black people who use western civilization’s theoretical principles are preventing progress. But, as we know that is by design.

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          well said Agya Kwadwo!!

          • I sent this to Dr. Jared Ball in response to his follow-up email: In terms of the krakkka ideologies, Nana Khalid more or less sums up my take on the matter: “If it’s a class problem, wherever the Black/white dynamic exists, then the white is the upper class and the Black is the lower class. And your lower class is much lower than white folks’ lower class. And your upper class ain’t nowhere near the top of the white upper class. If you are a communist, the white communist is on top, the Black communist is on the bottom. If you are socialist, the white socialist is on top, the Black socialist is on the bottom. If you are Christian, the white Christian is on top, the Black Christian is on the bottom. If you a Jew or Hebrew, the white Jew on top, the Black Jew is on the bottom. If you a Muslim the white Muslim is on top the Black Muslim is on the bottom. Whatever the social, political, economic, academic, religious, spiritual, system or order is. Wherever the Black/white dynamic exists you’ll find the white on top and the Black on the bottom.” (K. Muhammad, 1997)
            Muhammad, K. (Producer). (1997, 18 February 2013). Dr. Khalid Muhammad vs Anthony Hilder – The Great Debate.
            Communism, like capitalism, like socialism are created by and for their makers to assure their (the makers’) own survival. One of the main ways they do this is by deceiving Black people into thinking that one version of the rhetorical ethic is qualitatively better than the other. I actually want to do a comparative study of the condition, position and situation of Black people in representative states as case studies as an exposition of Nana Khalid’s statement as a basis for a conceptual framework. I’ve already looked briefly at the treatment of Black people in the U.S.S.R. and Warsaw Pact nations and would like to add Cuba to that list as well.

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              Thank you for this. I also agree with you and Nana Khalid’s thoughts. I’m considering doing social maps, diagrams, or visualizations of the dualities of classism. As mentioned there is a dichotomy within class where Afrikan descendants are marginalized via racialism (Black/white divides). ———————– As you mentioned in your conversation with Dr. Ball, U.S. segregation, Mzansi’s apartheid, and India’s caste system are all examples of this. Your upcoming study of the condition, position, and situation of Black people makes me think about the political spectrum (liberal, moderate, conservative in the American context; or neoliberalism, realism, and constructivism in the international relations context) and how social hierarchy based on race is present in each political system or theory. I believe this is because of capitalism, or states are primarily controlled by non-Afrikans due to Western civilization/Westphalian states. I am reading Robert Vitalis’ “White World Order, Black Power Politics: The Birth of American International Relations (2015), and he discusses how the birth of the field of international relations/international affairs as it is referenced to in Western society, was actually the field of international race theory. ——————- He mentions: “In the first decades of the 20th century in the US, international relations meant race relations. The problem of imperialism, sometimes referred to as ‘race subjugation’, was what preoccupied the first self-identified professors of international relations. They wrestled with the prospect that a race war might lead to the end of the world hegemony of whites, a future that appeared to many to be in the offing. The scholars had also identified the epicenter of the global biological threat in the three square miles of so at the northern end of Manhattan borough known as Harlem. Today, professors teach that international relations is the scientific study of interactions among ‘states’ or countries, with other, lesser ‘actors’ (financers, corporations and paramilitary organizations), trailing behind.” ———- I mention this because, considering your comments, and my experience this social hierarchy is inherent or manifests in the social relations among Afrikans as we now distinguish ourselves based on the social, political, and economic constructions and concepts, and systems created by white people. Nana Nkrumah discusses the traditionalist, Islamic, and Christianity systems of ideology that have impacted the continent in Consciencism, and I am interested in using this framework, as well as the perspectives of Pan-Afrikan women to develop versions of class/caste that simplify what we are saying. ——————————– In my experience advocating for and promoting Pan-Afrikanism, I have experienced much “backlash”, indifference, or apathy from our people because we separate ourselves based on social, political, and economic satus (i.e., how much money we have, or our educational background, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, political party or affiliation, gang affiliation, geographic location, language, etc.). All of this is classism or social stratification among ourselves. I am not advocating for blanket, universal Afrikanity that does not recognize our social distinctions, however as a Pan-Afrikan or naive person, I am compelled to believe we should look at the world as 90% brown/Black, but due to the aforementioned, conditioning and coloniality (Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks) and miseducation, we are very much separate. Not only do we subscribe to European social systems, but we abide by their borders (social and political, imaginary and imposed) and mimic their behavior. Very interested in discussing with everyone