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iqr dwA for the translation
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is Nwst Bity Ramssw Heqa Iwnw the one who drove out the sea aAmw? if so, i’d love to know where i can find out more about his charge in defense of Kmt
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@bakari-kwento I think that Mr-n-ptH (but I will double check if it’s a Ramssw or if both were involved)
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@taharka2018 dwA!
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@bakari-kwento Merneptah had the earlier encounter, than Ra-Msw hqA iwnw had the major defeat of them.
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Both mr-n-ptḥ (mr-n-ptH) and rꜥ-ms-sw ḥqꜢ-jwnw (ra-ms-s HqA-iwnw) defeated forces that included groups modern scholars often label “Sea Peoples,” but they were different episodes. mr-n-ptḥ (Year 5) repelled a Libyan-led coalition that included several of those northern groups as allies/auxiliaries; rꜥ-ms-sw ḥqꜢ-jwnw later records the classic large-scale land + sea confrontation(s) at Medinet Habu and also claims survivors were captured and settled under Kmt’s control. The ISAC OIP 8 (Medinet Habu, Vol. I) contains rꜥ-ms-sw ḥqꜢ-jwnw’s “Sea Peoples” records (Plates 29–44): https://isac.uchicago.edu/research/publications/oip/medinet-habu-volume-i-earlier-historical-records-ramses-iii
. The standard primary text base for mr-n-ptḥ’s coalition is the Great Karnak Inscription (not the Medinet Habu OIPs): https://www.ancientportsantiques.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/PLACES/Egypt-Libya/PerireBattle-Manassa2003.pdf
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@obadelekambon random, but when did lybia get overrun with sand crakkkaz?
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@taharka2018 from a footnote in my forthcoming book: “4th Dynasty (about 2400 BC) Libyans are shown on reliefs in the funerary temple (Niuserre, Sahure) of some kings.” UCL, “Foreign Relations: Egypt – Libya: A Short Summary,” University College of London, https://www.ucl.ac.uk/museums-static/digitalegypt/foreignrelations/libyahistory.html.“In the Old Kingdom the male Libyans were shown red brown with a chin-beard; women were shown with yellow skin. After the Old Kingdom men and women are shown with bright skin and prominent tatoos.” “Foreign Relations: Libya,” University College of London, https://www.ucl.ac.uk/museums-static/digitalegypt/foreignrelations/libya.html.; Tribes of the World, “Sahures Pyramid Tehenu Libyan,” Flickr, https://www.flickr.com/photos/92278137@N04/8994713966. There’s TmHw (southern) and THnw (northern) where the latter got overrun before the south.
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dwA for the clarity and references!!
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Is there a standard when mentioning a Ruler as to which name we should use, like their birth name or throne name? Since The Ruler has multiple names. @taharka2018
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@snKwaku egyptology (a.k.a. gaslighting 101) tends to use the sA Ra (birth) name.
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@snKwaku generally we use the sa-Ra “son of Ra” name, ex – Ra-msw, Imn-hTp,
But the cases where there are multiple nsw bity with the same sa-Ra name, we use an additional name or the rest of their sa-Ra name after to distinguish them.In the case of Ra-msw group, Ra-msw *hKa iwnw* “Ramesu III” is distinct from the earlier nsw bity Ra-msw *wsr mAat stp n Ra* Ra-msw “Ramesu II” — *wsr MAat stp n Ra* is the nsw-bity or “dual king” name.
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@obadelekambon @taharka2018 dwA snwi.i
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@Ɔbenfo Ọbádélé Medase pa
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